My Response to Reader's Comment About Governor Palin and Race

Monday, December 14, 2009

To Anonymous who commented today, 12/14 at 10:46 AM, on my post called "The Racism Game - We're Not Playing," for whatever reason, what I want to say to you in response won't post in the comment section, so you get your own post. Your comment suggests some things that should not go unanswered, which is why I'm putting both your comment and my response here.

You wrote:

Interesting post, Adrienne. I think some of your points aren't really as persuasive to people who aren't devoted Palin fans though. First, assume for a minute that there is a logical basis to say that someone is a racist or sexist or what're not going to assume they're not simply by looking to see if they say they're not. For example, if you asked a media personality (aside from Fox) whether the media has a liberal bias, odds are they wouldn't say yes.

Second, while you say it's common sense that Asians live in Hawaii, it's not that unreasonable to think that an 18 year old going to college would feel overwhelmed by the actual magnitude of the demographic differences. It's not like it's more reasonable for someone to somehow be caught off guard by Hawaii having a lot of sunny weather that can be distracting. What's interesting to me is that the quote about Asians seems to be coming from pro-Palin sources, Chuck Heath via Conroy and Walsh, and no one is asking about the veracity of the line (and if they think it false, why they would make it up).

As for Palin loving this country's different kinds of people, that would be a more persuasive argument if she didn't have to apologize for the "real America" comments back during the campaign days.

I don't believe in looking to a quota system to evaluate a candidate's support with minorities either. However, at the same time, if it was true that a candidate had virtually no support with minorities, I think that would be a fine thing to question, as one would wonder why (and it would also help the candidate adjust his or her own campaign). Not that I really know what the makeup of Palin fans actually is, but if it really does appear quite extreme, I don't think it would be that bad to ask why that is.

Here's my response to you:

You wrote, "First, assume for a minute that there is a logical basis to say that someone is a racist or sexist or what're not going to assume they're not simply by looking to see if they say they're not. For example, if you asked a media personality (aside from Fox) whether the media has a liberal bias, odds are they wouldn't say yes." You and I obviously look at things completely differently. I wouldn't be expecting people to prove they're not racist. That would be completely backwards. The onus is not on people to prove they are not racist. The onus is on the accusers to come up with some proof that they are. No evidence exists because Governor Palin is not a racist. Concerning bias in the media, I beg to differ with your point of view. Many in the media actually have admitted to displaying intense bias during the 2008 campaign, that they were indeed in the tank for Obama--and those who have not admitted as much are simply lying. Evidence of such bias is evident and accessible. Denial of media bias cannot be reasonably used in the same sentence as some unsubstantiated, bogus claims of racism on the part of Governor Palin.

You say it's not unreasonable to think that an 18 year old would have been overwhelmed by a different demographic. I say that's neither here nor there regarding the racism card being played completely out. The Governor already expressed why she left Hawaii, as did her college roommate in an interview with the LA Times back in 2008. Therefore, what is unreasonable is ignoring what Governor Palin herself said while embracing something else, simply to promote the racism schtick, which is what the Huffington Post did.

You mentioned that "the quote about Asians seems to be coming from pro-Palin sources, Chuck Heath via Conroy and Walsh, and no one is asking about the veracity of the line (and if they think it false, why they would make it up)." Frankly, I don't know--nor do you--how truly "pro-Palin" Conroy and Walsh are or how much they actually talked to the Governor, and you certainly don't know that they were truly and accurately quoting her father. Reading your question of why they would make it up, I nearly fell over laughing. Surely you jest. Why has anyone made up various and sundry things about her? Why has anyone demonized her? Why has anyone attacked her children? Wherever you find the answer to those questions, you'll probably find the answer to yours. Again, no evidence of racism.

You mentioned Palin making "real America" comments. Are you suggesting that comment was a comment steeped in racism? Evidence please. You can't find any. There is none.

In response to your comment that the make-up of Governor Palin's support is "quite extreme," I don't quite think so. When you weigh the fact that some 90% of Blacks, for example, will vote Democrat no matter what--no matter the issues, no matter who's running, despite the fact that many of these candidates represent the antithesis of our core values--it doesn't surprise me at all. Add to that the fact that many Blacks, a plethora of whom do not regularly vote at all, came out in droves to vote because Barack Obama--a Black man--was on the ticket, and again, I'm not surprised. The Governor was viewed as the enemy to their hopes and dreams of history-making. So no, I don't buy that at all. And just so you know, there are many Blacks and Asians who do support the Governor. So I'm not moved by the counting of Black sheep. Do the research on the values that Governor Palin espouses. Tell me they are not the values espoused by a huge percentage of the Black population. You can't. Yet they have allowed the bamboozling of the Left to turn them away from those values to do what they always do--support Democrats. That is what is quite extreme, quite sad, and quite scary.

I end with this, once again: a person with an experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument. Gov. Palin is an upstanding citizen who loves her country and all its citizens. Racism does not drive her. Love of God, love of country, and love of freedom do.


Anonymous,  December 14, 2009 at 7:18 PM  

I agree that the onus should be on people to prove racism first. That said, if the quote is authentic, that is evidence suggestive of racist attitudes. Hence the initial burden is met. If false, you'd think it'd be pretty easy to disprove, but I haven't seen that done yet. If anyone really cared, they could just get Chuck Heath to make a statement. But other than that, you said it's ridiculous without anything substantive to back it up.

Fair enough, I haven't even read Conroy and Walsh's book. I had read the C4P review which I thought seemed pretty positive with respect to Palin, but I checked again and I guess there are some negatives there. On the balance I would still guess they're pro-Palin, but I'm willing to withdraw that comment.

I wasn't suggesting that the "real America" comment was specifically racist. I said it in response to your suggestion and support for your point that Palin loves all kinds of Americans. I'll admit upfront that this is a little bit tenuous, but considering that Palin touted small towns as the real America and the pro-America regions of the nation, implying that urban could ponder what that says about the demographic differences between the two areas.

I never said that the make-up of Palin's support was quite extreme, I said that IF it is, I don't think it's a problem for commentators to note that. First, it might signal an underlying issue, and second it's not a bad thing for the candidate to be aware of and it could stand to increase the candidate's or the public's awareness of certain groups.

I'm not arguing that the potential existence of one quote is really enough to qualify Palin as a racist (or even that it's necessarily appropriate to continue to judge the actions that someone made as an 18 year old). Personally, I don't know if the quote is true or not, but I wouldn't really be surprised if it is. I just think if you're going to defend someone, it's more persuasive if you couch it in objective terms, instead of just saying "I've met her and I like her."

The race card does get thrown around a little more often than it does. But when it's inappropriate, the evidence or claims should be responded to directly. That said, use of the race card doesn't seem to be nearly as problematic as use of the elitist card these days.

Anonymous,  December 14, 2009 at 10:13 PM  

The problem with using accusations of racism to accomplish your goals, you eventually lose credibility so that when real racism occurs people dont pay attention.

If I am not mistaken, based on pictures on this site, I would believe that Adrienne is black. And if am not mistaken, Sarah is standing right there next to her smiling from ear to ear.

As more conservative minorities like Adrienne express their opinions through sites such as blogs, facebook and twitter, other minorities will start to listen and see that the real racists are on the left.

theblackcommenter December 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM  

It is the easiest thing in the world for Democrats and leftists to accuse someone of racism based on nothing more than the fact that they are not an Democrat or a leftist. This is true with Sarah Palin.

There is much racism; that I won't deny. And there are many conservatives who are clueless when it comes to issues of race and therefore really don't "get" the issues. I get that too. But that is a far cry from asserting that if one is conservative and White that one is racist or that if one is conservative and Black that one is a sellout.

Adrienne Ross December 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM  

Anonymous at 7:18 PM, for whom this post was written,

Thank you for taking the time to write once again. However, I'm not going to go back and forth with you about some claims for which there is no evidence. Bring me some real evidence of racism, and perhaps we can talk.

You wrote that you would not be surprised if the quote is true. I don't know what to tell you. You are free to think whatever you like. My original point remains the same: the Governor is an upstanding citizen who loves this country. I hope you are just as unsurprised by that. Feel free to quote me.

God bless you.

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